?

Log in

She was not what you would call refined [nor] what you would call unrefined [entries|friends|calendar]
Celebrine

[ userinfo | livejournal userinfo ]
[ calendar | livejournal calendar ]

Calling all techie-types! [24 Oct 2006|09:30pm]
I need to know if anyone out there can or knows someone who can rip a streaming video off a website while it's playing. It's a simulcast, not a podcast and will be airing at several specific times over the next 2 weeks.
Anybody have any ideas?
2 in the bouquet|pick a flower

Johari Window [07 Mar 2006|01:25pm]
[ mood | restless ]

via jcatt

I thought this was neat, so go fill mine out and comment if you make one so I can go fill out yours!

1 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[19 Feb 2006|10:42am]
[ mood | amused ]

Your results:
You are Uhura

Uhura
80%
Deanna Troi
55%
Data
52%
Spock
50%
Jean-Luc Picard
50%
An Expendable Character (Redshirt)
45%
Chekov
45%
Will Riker
40%
Beverly Crusher
40%
Mr. Scott
35%
James T. Kirk (Captain)
35%
Geordi LaForge
30%
Leonard McCoy (Bones)
25%
Mr. Sulu
15%
Worf
10%
You are a good communicator with a
pleasant soft-spoken voice.
Also a talented singer.

Click here to take the Star Trek Personality Quiz

pick a flower

Postal Vindication [13 Jan 2006|12:01pm]
[ mood | creative ]

The Cast
At my brokerage I am a member of a 'group.' It's kiiiiind of like a little brokerage within the big brokerage.
The 'senior members' of this group are:
  Helen - sweeeeeeet old lady, been in the business 32 years, her husband is ~20 yrs older than she and is living in a home b/c of advanced alzheimer's/dimensia, o! and did I mention that she's sweet? cuz she is really sweet
  Susan - Helen's daughter, been in the business 15 years, she's a character with a story but it's not mine to tell, wears alot of black 'to look slimmer,' can drive smoke and talk on a cell phone all at once even with her good hand in a cast

The 'buyer agents' in the group are:
  Ellen - Susan's since-childhood friend, she's been in the business for at least a few years now, I would classify her as bitter, but I don't know her very well, she's friendly enough
  Greg - Ellen's son-in-law I think, used to do some sort of catering business, his wife just had a baby so he's not around much
  Kat - (that's me!) she and her husband Tim bought their house through Susan and that's how she ended up working in this group, she is an exemplary human being and humble to boot ;), she will star as our heroine
  Lucy - her parents have been friends with Helen and her husband for a loooooong time, she'd rather be doing staging but isn't certified yet, she used to be an OR nurse, she has great hair
  Chris - he's brand new not even done Pru U, also bought a house through Susan, used to be a banker

The group also has an assistant:
  Debbie - helpful fun and easy to talk to, good at keeping her mouth shut when she should, I don't think there's anything you might need that she can't conjure from within the depths of her amazing desk, her daughter is leaving for Spain soon and she's nervous b/c their Spanish exchange student of a few months ago was NOT a good influence, if I look as good in my late 40s as she does I'll be quite happy

  Beth should also be introduced as Kat spends quite a bit of time in the resource room with Beth and finds her a pleasant companion as they both do their various computer-related tasks. Beth is a buyer agent for a different group and is a couple years younger than Kat, she has striking blue eyes, she became engaged on Christmas Eve, she has worked at Kat's brokerage for quite some time but only recently became an agent.


I thought these characters worth introducing even though most of them don't figure into today's plotCollapse )

7 in the bouquet|pick a flower

A Day in the Life [25 Oct 2005|08:14pm]
[ mood | touched ]

Dude.
I could write novels about single days in this job.
....Maybe I'd make more money doing that....
;)

Tonight I previewed 2 FSBOs and 3 'regular' properties.
I started at a FSBO - middle-aged man with his own concrete company who's been having some health issues and is expecting to not be able to afford his mortgage for much longer between missed work and medical bills. but he's not willing to pay more than 2% commission. He bought the property less than a year ago, poured $80,000 into fixing it up and is now trying to downsize. He needs a decorator, though he does nice landscaping.

The 2nd property was stunning. Got some decorating ideas.

The 3rd property was weird. It was a lovely home. The word gracious describes it perfectly. It was gracious even though it was vacant which is unusual. Though I only saw the first floor b/c I got the weirdest vibe. The addition was fine, but in the main part of the house my creep radar was going. I walked up the stairs and my creep radar went off the charts. Then I saw a light on from a closet or bathroom inside one of the bedrooms and promptly turned around and left as quickly as I possibly could.
I would be willing to bet (a small amount of money) that if I dug around, I'd discover that some violent crime occurred in the upstairs of that house. Or else somebody was hiding up there waiting to commit a violent crime, but it didn't seem like anybody was in the house.
*shudder*
I would have left through a closer and more visible door than the one I came in, but there was no way to lock it behind me and I didn't want to leave the house unlocked.

It felt good to get out of there!!!!

After going on a wild goose chase trying to find an elusive FSBO marked only by an enigmatic arrow pointing off to the left, I went to the 4th property. While I was fumbling with the keys (I'm terrible at unlocking doors), a man appeared behind me who was not creepy and who turned out to be the co-listing agent and the husband of the listing agent.
It was my first time in a home where they requested that you remove your shoes b/c of religious beliefs. I of course had worn my knee-high leather boots instead of slip-ons. *sigh*
The husband and wife apparently are investors who buy dilapidated properties and fix them up and sell them. This one was the wife's project. They don't do a very good job. They don't do a terrible job, but I would have still considered the home a fixer-upper. But one that I would frustratingly not be able to justify alot of the fixing I would most like to do b/c it had just been done.

Property #5, another FSBO - I discovered this property today in the MLS and was quite disappointed b/c I had thought these people the most likely to convert to a listing. They are listing with housepad.com though, and I'm not sure if that counts as a brokerage whose clients I can't lure away b/c they don't do ANYthing except put the property in the MLS. They don't even provide signs or a lockbox.
I left my card and am still kind of hoping they might call me. The wife has Lupus so they are downsizing. They've already settled on their new house so they are paying 2 mortgages at the moment.
They had trouble setting up an appointment for me b/c of busy schedules and then completely forogt about the appointment b/c they lost the calendar. They've sold homes themselves before though, and it seems she has a friend who is an agent, so I doubt it, but who knows.

If I had had the time to make those blurbs as interesting as the actual appointments were, I'd start working on those novels! As it is, I don't even feel like going back and fixing them so that I actually draw attention to the parts that were the most significant to me.

O well, I made an entry! Isn't that enough?!

I know it's not......


And, no, jeney that last comment wasn't directed toward you, it's just a expression of where I'm at ;)

9 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[24 Oct 2005|07:03pm]

Fashionista

59% Tastefulness, 65% Originality, 71% Deliberateness, 40% Sexiness

[Tasteful Original Deliberate Prissy]


One is certain: you have great taste and plenty of ideas. You have
clearly defined beliefs about what's good and what's bad in fashion but
they are far from banal. Stylish and imaginative, you prefer to inspire
admiration than to shock and you mostly succeed. Even if sometimes
you'd like to have more courage to put on something absolutely
outrageous you do great job in creating a unique look that others look
up to. There is a possibility that you work in the fashion industry. If
you don't, perhaps you should.


The opposite style from yours is Bar Cruiser [Flamboyant Conventional Random Sexy].




All the categories: Fashion Enemy Bar Cruiser Kid Next Door Sex Bomb Hippie Kid Fashion Rebel Fashion Artist Catwalk God(ess) Librarian Sporty Hottie Office Master Uptown Girl/ Boy Brainy Student Movie Star Fashionista Glamorous Soul












My test tracked 4 variables How you compared to other people your age and gender:
free online datingfree online dating
You scored higher than 50% on Tastefulness
free online datingfree online dating
You scored higher than 91% on Originality
free online datingfree online dating
You scored higher than 94% on Deliberateness
free online datingfree online dating
You scored higher than 29% on Sexiness




Link: The Fashion Style Test written by mari-e on Ok Cupid, home of the 32-Type Dating Test
3 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[09 Jul 2005|07:45am]
[ mood | chipper ]

Training......intense.....
My body and mind can't seem to decide whether to go all out and give me the jitters or to shut down and tell me to go back to bed.

21 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[19 Jun 2005|10:17pm]
[ mood | cheerful ]

song lyrics that I don't foresee ever being able to relate to but like nonetheless ->

Now it's over I'm dead and I haven't done anything that I want
Or I'm still alive and there's nothing I want to do

2 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[16 Jun 2005|11:55pm]
[ mood | braced ]

Today I went in to meet with the office manager.
I bumped into Susan on the way out so had the opportunity to take care of some other things too.
I now have a desk.
And a key to the office.
And generic business cards to cover until I get me-specific ones made.
And a ton of paperwork to read through and fill out.
And they're going to get my phone line set up.
I was told to feel free to come in whenever I wanted, set up my desk however I wanted, etc etc etc.
And the kids start camp on Monday, so I'll actually be able to do that.
My training starts July 6th and ends July 22nd.
I should have my license in hand sometime next week.

Dude! I'm a real estate agent! (and as soon as I finish the paperwork and pay my dues, I'll be a realtor too)

I'm having trouble remembering everything I have to do tomorrow and this weekend, so I'm typing it here, but you probably don't want to read itCollapse )

16 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[14 Jun 2005|12:57pm]
[ mood | ecstatic ]

I passed!!!!!!!

I got a 96 on both sections! Woohoo!

34 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[10 Jun 2005|01:21am]
[ mood | intrigued ]

via bonsaye and detroitfather
theological quizzesCollapse )

6 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[07 Jun 2005|10:32pm]
[ mood | happy ]

I've scheduled my exam! Next Tuesday, the 14th!

I have to be there at 8:30am and it's ~30 minutes away + time to allow for rush hour traffic. Yikes! I'm not a big fan of mornings. Ah well.
I've got 6 days to finish jamming the law and rules and regulations into my head. Only ~40 pages of it left, should be doable.

My brother graduates from high school on Friday. Craziness!
We pick Frappuccino up on Saturday. Excitement!
Someone in my neighborhood wants to make my life hell by calling CYS on us and at least 1 other parent on our street for letting our kids ride bikes outside and go barefoot. Yeesh. The kids' doctor said she laughed at the CYS person who called her about us.
Whoever it is obviously doesn't know us b/c they reported that we have 6yr old and 3 yr old girls. Among other things the report said that the 6yr old girl goes around knocking on doors, and that is clearly the 6 yr old girl who belongs to my neighbor b/c she does go around knocking on doors, but only certain ones.
*shakes head* What a mess. I look forward to moving someday!

11 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[27 May 2005|01:22am]
[ mood | excited ]

O! Look who will be moving in with us next weekend!


His name is Frappuccino, he's a 4 mo old seal point siamese and our last expected feline family member.

18 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[26 May 2005|11:40pm]
[ mood | cheerful ]

Well, my camera's still out of commission, but I had my cousin bring hers over, so now I can finally post some pics of Clementine and of that hula hoop sisal toy I made!

Read more...Collapse )

EDIT: Oops! These were supposed to be in parrot_lovers, but I'll keep it here too :)

12 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[25 May 2005|08:57pm]
[ mood | ecstatic ]

Guess what I got on my finalsCollapse )

It's so sad that I'm not done studying now. I plan to spend the next 3 weeks reading the law and rules and regulations over and over and over until I feel confident that I know it at least well enough for the licensing exam.

I'm also going to try to lose a significant amount of weight in the next 3 weeks (5-10 lbs-ish would be good) so that I can exchange all the clothes I bought for the next smaller size before I commit to them by taking off tags and washing and wearing and such.

18 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[20 May 2005|07:32pm]
[ mood | cheerful ]

I thought my computer was almost dead.
I was half right -> my video card fan had died and my video card had overheated and died.
One of my mother board fans is also not working. It doesn't look terribly easy to replace. I hope I'm wrong on that. We've been wanting to try getting me a new motherboard anyway. We've replaced nearly everything else on my computer in our attempts to make it function normally.


I'm nearly done classes. On Monday I go in to meet with Susan. Crazy!
I am currently accepting all donations of professional wear including, but not limited to: clothing, shoes and accessories. ;)
Somehow I don't think khakis, hoodies and flip flops are gonna be quite right.

Maybe soon I'll have time to read you guys again!

11 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[18 May 2005|04:10pm]
[ mood | overwhelmed ]

Grrrrrrrrr.


*tired smile*

2 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[03 May 2005|09:34am]
[ mood | a little overwhelmed ]

Classes are looking to be intense.
450 pages to get through in 3 weeks.
60 pages of which is the state law and rules and regulations. Not fun reading.
Only 40-50% pass the licensing exam.


In case you didn't catch it between the lines, this is the part where I fall off the face of the earth again ;)

3 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[01 May 2005|01:47pm]
[ mood | accomplished ]

FluffCollapse )

Finally got one of my flower beds weeded. Thistles suck. Next step: mulch!

9 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[29 Apr 2005|01:37am]
[ mood | cheerful ]

My brother, Sam, called today and told me to go check out his latest musical project which conveniently has some stuff on the internet.
You should check it out too! at myspace.com or at purevolume.com.
I recommend checking them both out b/c there's different songs at each.
Sam is the one wearing the hat in the picture.


Many people may find my children frustrating, but they are perfect for me!
Today Kate came inside and told me to come outside to see something. What did I find when I went outside? Sarah riding a two-wheeler without training wheels. She taught herself!


My dad just called to tell me a joke. I thought it was pretty funny, so even though I'm bad at telling jokes I wanted to share itCollapse )


Paraphrasing myself from elsewhere ->
'Yesterday, Clementine cost me $288 at the vet b/c her previous owner wanted to save a few bucks a month by buying cheaper food.'
She has a raging bacterial infection and is malnourished to the point of rather significant physical weakness even though her weight is normal. She can't crack an almond (fairly basic parrot ability, even a 4-5" lovebird can do this if they set their mind to it) and she has trouble even just standing up straight!
This goes to further prove my belief that paying extra for quality is nearly always cheaper in the long run.

Clementine is so sweet. In spite of everything, she's still sitting on my shoulder trying to dance to my music. Joan Baez isn't giving her much to work with, let's try something else.... Ah! the Coasters... she's loving it!

14 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[26 Apr 2005|11:11am]
[ mood | cheerful ]

Last night I went to an Ani DiFranco concert with sweetlucidity. A good time was had by all.
At first I found the opening guy terribly annoying, but he grew on me before long. I think it was the song about his 3 yr old's political rants that made me like him ;)
Ani was good. The mood was quite mellow, maybe b/c the venue is a rather intimate one. I've never really heard her except for some of the stuff sweetlucidity has played for me, it was kinda neat to 'get to know her in person' first rather than in a recording. There was one song that I especially liked, but I don't remember much of the words, something about billboards and nature and stuff.
It was fun to pick apart the chemistry between Ani and ...Todd? (the bass player), and interesting that sweetlucidity and I had almost identical theories.
Afterwards I got to meet some of Jess' family and such who were also there and we went across the street and hung out at the pub.

I've decided that the hematomas in my hands are in fact a result of clapping. How ridiculous. There may be an alcohol (blood thinning?) aspect. About this time last year at dottey and kechara's wedding I had 2 glasses of wine and was dancing and clapping. Next day, there were big bruises in the palms of my hands. Last night, I had 2 Bacardis at the concert and was dancing and clapping (and then 2 Smirnoff Ices afterwards) and today there is a bruise in the palm of my left hand. Quite tender and my ring and pinky fingers are tingly. The body fascinates me.


We have the sun conure! She's faboo! She also does not seem to be attached to the name Sunny, so I am calling her Clementine. Though Timmy is calling her Elina and Sarah is calling her Sunny *sigh*
She is super sweet and very snuggly but I have some concerns about her. Especially that her balance is not very good. Not a normal healthy thing in an acrobatic species! There are a couple potetial causes I am aware of that would be fairly simple to remedy. She goes to the vet on Thursday for her initial check-up, so we'll see what the vet has to say!

11 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[23 Apr 2005|11:30pm]
[ mood | excited ]

Guess what! Guess what guess what guess what!

Tomorrow we're picking up a sun conure! This will be our first intentional addition to our flock from our 'dream bird' list. SO excited.


(not our sun conure, just a generic image from a google search)

more Sun Conure-y goodnessCollapse )

She is 7 yrs old and has been in 1 home her whole life so far, but they got bored with her and got into dogs instead and she hasn't been out of her cage in about a year now! She used to be on a decent diet, but got bumped down to seeds along the way. She lays eggs so she is a confirmed female. Her name is Sunny. <sarcasm> How creative. </sarcasm> I'm hoping that she's not terribly attached to her name b/c I want to rename her. I'm thinking Clementine cuz I'm a dork who likes to sing old folk songs to her birds. Or Dinah b/c I've Been Working on the Railroad is my favorite and then when we're in the kitchen together I can sing 'Someone's in the kitchen with Dinah, someone's in the kitchen I know-ow-ow-ow!' But I like Clementine b/c she'll be kinda orange-y and clementines are orange. Maybe I'll save Dinah for the other bird on my dream list that we may actually get someday - a Greenwing MacawCollapse )

Someday I would love to own a Sulphur Crested Cockatoo as well, but I don't know if I'll ever be willing to deal with a Cockatoo.

22 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[22 Apr 2005|08:38pm]
[ mood | silly ]

I admit it, I enjoy fluff!Collapse )

6 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[22 Apr 2005|12:34am]
[ mood | quiet ]

I don't know why, but lately I have nothing to say.
If you're getting an occasional '*nod*' or 'Neat!' from me you should feel honored. I often want to say more, but there's just not anything in my head worth saying.

18 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[20 Apr 2005|04:59pm]
[ mood | giddy ]

So, those changes I have you all praying about for us? Here's the scoop ->

May 2nd I start taking real estate pre-licensing courses. I'll be taking both classes at the same time and will finish on May 25th. It'll be an intense month -> Monday and Wednesday from 6-9:45 and Saturday and Sunday from 1-6. ASAP after May 25th, I will take the licensing exam and then go to work! Tim will come home, hopefully going part-time at his current job, and will begin working on either getting his bachelor's or starting his own business or both or neither.
We've kept in touch with the real estate agent we used when we bought our house and she had offered me a position on her team when I called her last year when we were first starting to seriously consider this possibility. I was waiting to hear back from her to make sure that offer still stood before sharing the news, and I just talked to her this afternoon. She's as excited as I am about me coming to work under her!

Everything isn't solid yet, I have to pass the exam and Tim has to see what he can work out on his end. If he can't work part-time then we'll be beyond broke for a few months. We don't even have 1 month's worth in savings. We have good credit if we have to use it, but I hope we won't have to.

I don't really like risk, and this is liek stepping off a cliff without knowing how far away the bottom is, but I'm confident that this is a good move and I'm confident that God will steer us through it.
Keep praying!! ;)

12 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[20 Apr 2005|10:17am]
[ mood | chipper ]

Star Wars Meme by sailor_phobos
1st 2 Ltrs of 1stname + Last 3 Ltrs of last name
1st 2ltrs of moms last name+Last 3ltrs of city brn
Sith or JediSith
Skin ColorYellow
Eye ColorPurple
Light Saber ColorRed
How close you are to switching sides: 74%
Username
You're Random Star Wars Quote:The plans you refer to will soon be back in our hands.
Your Padawan (if you're a jedi)anthus29
Your apprentice (if you're a sith)dalissa
You're Mastercatina_jane
Quiz created with MemeGen!
2 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[18 Apr 2005|04:02pm]
[ mood | overwhelmed ]

Sometimes an almost clean house is more defeating than a thoroughly trashed one.
Sometimes I'm so sick and tired of the endlessness of basic picking up that I could almost cry. It's so futile!
Sisyphus is my role model. I lack his determination.

6 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[17 Apr 2005|01:22pm]
[ mood | excited and nervous ]

I covet your prayers.
It looks like some of the larger pieces of our life are about to be rearranged.
If they all land right it could be really cool.

27 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[14 Apr 2005|08:47pm]
[ mood | calm ]


Your Linguistic Profile:



55% General American English

40% Yankee

5% Dixie

0% Midwestern

0% Upper Midwestern


pick a flower

[14 Apr 2005|01:04pm]
[ mood | cheerful ]

I realized recently that mammals are called mammals b/c they have mammaries. Nice.

15 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[11 Apr 2005|02:44pm]
[ mood | cheerful ]

*sigh* The woman at my dr's office is so rigidly misinformed as to be absolutely unable to help me.


Jack Johnson rocks. You don't believe me?! Well, listen to this and this and decide for yourself!

If you liked those, here are a few of the ones I had trouble not choosing -> 1, 2 and 3 <- I still haven't given you all of my favorites but I don't want to annoy my webspace provider and I want you to go buy the album for yourself!

Thanks catina_jane for posting that link that I clicked where I heard him and decided to buy an album!!!

25 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[04 Apr 2005|12:10pm]
[ mood | goofy ]


Your Silver-Age Superhero Career
LJ Username
Your alias first-name is:
Your alias last-name is:
You can turn....
...into:
You team up with... jahtribe
...to battle: vampire rabbits
You petition to join: Mensa
Their response: they just shake their heads adamantly
You are best remembered for: falling down a flight of stairs at the Oscars
Your heroic level: - 98%
This fun quiz by sigma7 - Taken 65440 Times.
</a>
New - Kwiz.Biz Astrology and Horoscopes



LOL!!
pick a flower

[03 Apr 2005|11:25pm]
[ mood | huh ]

Interesting article

19 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[03 Apr 2005|04:20pm]
[ mood | cathartic ]

I just typed a rather long beginning of an explanation of my anger, bitterness and cynicism in regards to the US educational system in an e-mail to a friend and figured it was worth copying here.

It is rather long, but, quite honestly, just the tip of the iceberg ->Collapse )

11 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[01 Apr 2005|07:30pm]
[ mood | paradigm shifting ]

My daughters are outside playing manhunt with some of the neighborhood kids and some kids I don't recognize who are presumably friends or relatives or something. This is weird. But by the time I was Kate's age I was doing all kinds of things I can't imagine she's old enough to be doing!

In other adventures of the day, I'm making eggplant parmigiana for dinner. No idea how it'll turn out. I'm supposed to be the girl who doesn't like vegetables.

13 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[31 Mar 2005|10:53am]
[ mood | accomplished ]

The Teenage Liberation Handbook is quite an empowering read, even as an adult. Today I wrote a letter to our community's council and management proposing a community vegetable garden since they passed a resolution last year that no fruits or vegetables could be planted in our '5 foot planting areas' around the units.

4 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[28 Mar 2005|12:24pm]
[ mood | cheerful ]

The 4-Variable IQ TestCollapse )

13 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[25 Mar 2005|12:36pm]
Why does Jesus of Nazareth disc 1 have a short wait and Jesus of Nazareth disc 2 have a very long wait? *shakes head*

Well, a blessed Good Friday to all of you on the same calendar as me, I'm off to boil eggs!
pick a flower

[25 Mar 2005|11:57am]
[ mood | highly amused ]

I posted recently about my mom reminding me that 10 years ago it was my intention to reform the school system.
Well, I recently found more proof that I haven't changed much over the years.
I'm reading Mr Popper's Penguins to the kids right now. I bought this book for myself when I was 9 or 10. At some point around then I doodled on the inside of the front cover. And what do you think I doodled? A pony? a rainbow? Nope, a US flag and the Constitution and some quill pens in an inkwell and the words 'We the people...'

I also remember trying to read the Constitution without my teacher noticing I wasn't paying attention to what she was talking about when we came across it in the middle of our textbook one day.

4 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[23 Mar 2005|01:53pm]
[ mood | amused ]

My mom reminded me of something yesterday that I had totally forgotten -> I graduated high school intent on reforming our country's educational system b/c I thought it sucked arse.

6 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[22 Mar 2005|08:07pm]
[ mood | impassioned ]

So, here's that post I tried to make earlier. Fortunately, it's mostly quotes, so it'll be pretty much word-for-word.

So, last night I finally picked up a copy of a book that has been recommended to me many times by many people.

Wow. Even though it's written with teenagers in mind, I highly recommend it to anyone to whom it looks even remotely interesting or who is at all interested in learning/education whether your own or someone else's or whatever!

In any case, I feel like sharing a bunch of quotes from it, so I will! I will probably continue to do so periodically over the next few days/weeks as I continue to read it. Many are quotes from people other than the author - some famous people, some 'ordinary' people, some taken from other books, etc. I'll also include two passages direct from the text at the end.


It is, in fact, nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction have not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry; for this delicate plant, aside from stimulation, stands mainly in need of freedom; without this it goes to wrack and ruin without fail. It is a very grave mistake to think that the enjoyment of seeing and searching can be promoted by means of coercion and a sense of duty.
            ~ Albert Einstein

What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult
            ~ Sigmund Freud

We are shut up in schools and college recitation rooms for ten or fifteen years, and come out at last with a bellyful of words and do not know a thing
            ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

My schooling not only failed to teach me what it professed to be teaching, but prevented me from being educated to an extent which infuriates me when I think of all I might have learned at home by myself
            ~ George Bernard Shaw

Schools and schooling are increasingly irrelevant to the great enterprises of the planet. No one believes anymore that scientists are trained in science classes or politicians in civics classes or poets in English classes. The truth is that schools don't really teach anything except how to obey orders.
            ~ John Taylor Gatto

Giving grades puts the wrong focus on learning. It points a student toward competition and learning for the wrong reasons: to make grades rather than to become educated.
            ~ Patrick Meehan (14 yr old unschooler)

I've been out of school for over thirty years, yet no matter how I manage to arrange my life, I still keep learning. In fact, I seem to learn faster the further in time I get from my school experience...
            ~ Robert Rodale

Almost all education has a political motive: it aims at strengthening some group, national or religious or even social, in the competition with other groups. It is this motive, in the main, which determines the subjects taught, the knowledge offered and the knowledge withheld, and also decides what mental habits the pupils are expected to acquire. Hardly anything is done to foster the inward growth of mind and spirit; in fact, those who have had the most education are very often atrophied in their mental and spiritual life.
            ~ Bertrand Russell

I am always ready to learn, but I do not always like being taught
            ~ Winston Churchill

[Factories] required a shift from agricultural time to the much more precise categories of industrial time, with its sharply delineated and periodized work day. Moreover, along with this shift in timing and rhythm, the factory demanded concomitant shifts in habits of attention and behavior, under which workers could no longer act according to whim or preference but were required instead to adjust to the needs of the productive process and the other workers involved in it... The schools taught [factory behavior], not only through textbook preachments, but also through the very character of their organization - the grouping, periodizing, and objective impersonality were not unlike those of the factory.
  - Lawrence A Cremin in American Education: the National Experience 1783-1876, pp 350-1

In the post-industrial society there is essentially no place for human beings who are not able to function independently. There is no room for people trained to be cogs in a machine. Such people have been displaced permanently from the economic system. The economic demands of post-industrial America are something that you hear from personnel directors in every industry and company today, small or large. The demands are for creative people with initiative, self-starters, people who know how to take responsibility, exercise judgement, make decisions for themselves
  - Dan Greenberg in "School for a Post-Industrial Society" in Friends of Summerhill Trust Journal, Issue 11

Direct from the book ->

Contrast school's use of time with the way people study for the GED. The GED (General Equivalency Diploma) actually tests a higher level of knowledge than what school teaches; supposedly one third of high school graduates would fail it. Nevertheless, when high school dropouts want to take it, they are typically coached for 16 to 24 hours over a period of four to six weeks. Books that prepare people to take the GED suggest around thirty home study sessions, each about one to three hours. That's all they need, not four years sitting at a desk with someone else's bubblegum stuck underneath.
I am reminded of a conversation my colleagues and I had with a parent when I was teaching. We had suggested that this man's son skip the eighth grade and go directly into the ninth, since he was extremely bright, competent, socially adept, and "responsible" in doing his schoolwork. At first, the father had some qualms. He was worried that his son would miss some of the "building blocks" of courses such as math, science, and foreign language. No, said the teachers, Jasper (fake name) would miss nothing important by skipping a grade.
That information was good for Jasper, since he was allowed to skip eighth grade and save himself a year of "nothing important." But the implications of that conversation are horrendous. Year after year, you attend school for many reasons. You may think the most important reason is learning, but in reality you are receiving "nothing important" in exchange for your twelve years of drudgery. Sure, schools teach some potentially helpful skills and information. But the amount of good stuff is insignificant next to the piles of inanity, and furthermore, the meat of most year-long courses could be covered in a good two or three day session.


I like this vision even if I disagree with the proposed funding set-up ;) ->

In other words, the ideals that led to American public education were idealistic and revolutionary ones. How wonderful if the people who held them could have been democratic enough to trust others to make the most of an opportunity.
If so, we might have had one bonanza extravaganza of an educational system, one in which children were legally guaranteed their basic material needs - shelter and food - until a certain age - sixteen, eighteen, twenty-two, whatever - and allowed to freely explore the physical and cultural worlds. Libraries and books could have been accessible to all. Tutors and academic specialists could have been paid by the government to answer people's questions, to teach them more intensely when a student wanted that. Apprenticeships could have been available, as well as open laboratories staffed by scientists ready to let young people assist in their research. Children and teenagers could have roamed around sticking their hands into frog ponds, bread dough, and art supplies. They could have invented gadgets, cataloged fossils, and written poetry at will.
Instead, the people who thought up American education believed in no one but themselves. They did not trust children to learn, and they did not trust the "lower classes" to want their children to learn. I doubt any kind of intellectual freedom even occurred to them. They believed that in order to have education, it would have to be forced. Thus came compulsory schooling. They modeled the American system on the German one, which never pretended and was not intended to create a democracy.
27 in the bouquet|pick a flower

[22 Mar 2005|11:46am]
[ mood | annoyed ]

I just spent an hour typing up a post only to have my computer crash while I was proofreading it. *sigh*
I want to run some errands, I'll try again later.

4 in the bouquet|pick a flower

navigation
[ viewing | most recent entries ]
[ go | earlier ]